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I'm all in favor of people inventing new and interesting ways to experience each other sexually. So long as everyone involved is a consenting adult human, nobody is injured, and everyone has a good time, I don't care what two or more people enjoy doing in the privacy of their own home/hotel room/RV/tent/empty field in the middle of nowhere with a wisk, a can of shaving foam, cellophane, tights, and a miner's helmet. I may not want to see the pictures, mind you, but I figure, as long as it's safe, sane, and consensual, whatever! I really don't care who's doing who, what they're doing with each other, and where they bought the equipment...usually.

There are, however, some things I happen upon which I think are truly screwed up and wrong. Things like the Gigimo Artificial Virginity Hymen.

The description, unedited:
No more worry about losing your virginity. With this product, you can have your first night back anytime. Insert this artificial hymen into your vagina carefully. It will expand a little and make you feel tight. When your lover penetrate, it will ooze out a liquid that look like blood not too much but just the right amount. Add in a few moans and groans, you will pass through undetectable. Its easy to use, clinically proven non-toxic to human and has no side effects, no pain to use and no allergic reaction.
I think it should be obvious why my reaction to this was (no pun intended), "What the FUCK?"

Are there really that many men out there who care that badly about their girlfriends or wives being virgins, that there is a market for such a thing? Apparently, there are. And apparently, there are enough women who feel, for whatever reason, that they must deceive their boyfriends or husbands into thinking they are virgins through the use of this device.

I would imagine that women who buy and use these devices do so to protect themselves from retribution, either from their boyfriends or husbands, or the larger community; it's not unheard of in some places for men who find that their new wives are not virgins, to kill them as a matter of "honor", or for the woman's family to do the same. And even if that's not the case, they may suffer great public shaming and social ostracism.

This is one of those things where, at first, I laugh, but then the implications hit me, and I sigh and get depressed. The sheer batshit insane patriarchal fuckedupitude is absurd on one level, but on another, it's deadly serious.

Date: 2008-12-29 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] limpingpigeon.livejournal.com
Yeah. As I said when you first sent me that link, at least the "allergic-reaction in a bottle" product that makes the lining of the vagina swell to make it tighter for a similar effect is intended to increase sensation for both partners. At best, this product is all about men getting to "de-flower" someone.

Date: 2008-12-29 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allthelivesofme.livejournal.com
I'm trying to get to something more coherent than "AUGH what the hell" but that's about all that's running through my head right now. I mean, just . . . this is awful.

Date: 2008-12-29 09:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] wlotus.livejournal.com
What this person said. Twice.

Date: 2008-12-29 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennifoot.livejournal.com
If it saves a girl's life, I am all for it. That is the reality of this product.

Date: 2008-12-29 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roseneko.livejournal.com
Seconded. In the US, yeah, it's kind of stupid. In other countries? It may well do just that.

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Date: 2008-12-29 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flewellyn.livejournal.com
My point was not that the product should not be sold.

My point is, how fucked up is it that there's a demand for this?

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Date: 2008-12-31 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] happiestsadist.livejournal.com
Except it just seems to be sold as a sexual novelty. It doesn't really seem that likely that something apparently sold at least online in sex stores would be really aimed much at the sort who's be saved by such a thing.

Date: 2008-12-29 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idemandjustice.livejournal.com
I started to write some smart-assed silly comment as I read the beginning of your post, but then I kept going and you're right. The ramifications of that thing aren't funny at all. So I deleted what I'd started to type up, and will now just be bothered that there must be a market for this shit.

Date: 2008-12-29 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] esme454.livejournal.com
Oh. My. God.

I wish men who like the idea of this product came with a label.

Date: 2008-12-29 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] esme454.livejournal.com
I can't help but sort of marvel at the product description.

Main causes of hymen tore or break:

* Strenuous exercise (Gymnastics, sports, martial art, horse riding, etc)
* Premarital Sex
* Childhood accident (Hard object)
* Wearing a tampon for the first time



Made in Japan.

Expire: 2 years.

How to use:

* Open the package and rub on the artificial hymen, then carefully put into the vagina. If vaginal is dry, dip the artificial hymen to water and then put it into the vagina as quickly as you can.
* Place inside vagina 15-20 minutes before intercourse
* Finally, cleans the vulva after having sexual intercourse.

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Date: 2008-12-29 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erica057.livejournal.com
Ohh but just think of the practical joke potential...

"HONEY ITS A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!!!!1"

Date: 2008-12-29 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flewellyn.livejournal.com
For that, I would think maybe a crucifix dildo (http://www.divine-interventions.com/jackhammer.html).

Date: 2008-12-29 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lalael.livejournal.com
Oh wow. Thank god I didn't need one of these. And by that I mean that my husband isn't ridiculously stupid. I'm fairly certain that I either a) was born without a hymen (which apparently can happen) or b) broke mine riding my bike or something as a kid 'cause there was NO pain associated with my first time. I can't even imagine having to worry about something like that, much less having to buy one in an attempt to save my life. *sends good thoughts out into the ether*

Date: 2008-12-31 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] happiestsadist.livejournal.com
Indeed. though I know when I lost mine (I landed on my foot funny at the bottom of a slide. Ow!).

Date: 2008-12-30 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] my-aerie.livejournal.com
SOOOOO many women aren't "physical" virgins anyway...I didn't bleed my first time. My hymen prolly broke during gymnastics or something. Or tampons, or playing with a vibe.

I linked this to the guy I'm involved with and we were discussing it...we both think it's probably more likely to be fetish related than a woman trying to deceive her partner? Some people have a thing about virginity, I imagine it could be a turn on for some guys to have an experience that mimics taking virginity, by breaking the hymen. Likewise, it might be a turn on for a woman to have an experience mimicking losing her virginity, by breaking the hymen.

Maybe it's just the hopeful side of me that thinks it's more fetish related than deception related, though...I don't like thinking that people could be like that. :/



For the price, I'm half tempted to get it and use it just to see if there is an appeal for myself or my partner (then again, the only person I'm gettin it on with lately lives far away, and we only get it on over the phone, so if I bought it, it might be a damn long time before I could use it).

Date: 2008-12-30 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flewellyn.livejournal.com
Well, it IS from Japan...the fetishes they have there terrify Great Cthulhu. Especially since they have Cthulhu fetish porn.

Date: 2008-12-30 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naamah-darling.livejournal.com
I was going to say that, marketed as a fetish item, I'd be all about it. It could be great fun for roleplaying.

The idea that there are people out there who really do care and get upset about women not being virgins is revolting, though, and honestly, there are way more possessive assholes than there are playful kinksters.

Date: 2008-12-30 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nimbrethil.livejournal.com
This was my thought, too. I see both as being the two primary reasons behind its popularity. I definitely see some women, at least, taking advantage of this in bids to protect themselves, but I also bet that a great many men would be all over this because of their fixation on female virginity. I think women interested in this for that purpose would be motivated more by their male partner's fetish than their own, too.

Date: 2008-12-30 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bheansidhe.livejournal.com
Haven't looked at the comment thread so don't know if this has been covered but I'm sure at least somoene has mentioned that in many parts of the world a woman will be killed if she is not found to be a virgin on her wedding night - and her own family may assist in the murder, to assuage their "honor."

"Kabul Beauty School," an autobiography written by an American woman who moved to Kabul and opened a beauty salon, describes a young woman who was raped by her fiance, after which he refused to marry her. She never told her family because it would mean she could never marry anyone and move out of her parents' house. Later they arranged a new engagement for her. The groom wanted to consummate right after the ceremony, after which the sheets would be shown to the crowd to prove she was pure. Only the American beautician knew the full story. During the "consummation ceremony," she sneaked into the room with fingernail clippers, gouged the woman's fingers to make them bleed, and smeared her blood on the sheets (knowing the red nail polish would hide her bloody fingers) so her husband would go through with the marriage.

Quite saddening and terrifying.

tears

Date: 2008-12-30 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmiel.livejournal.com
I cry tears for that woman. Our world is an evil place.

Date: 2008-12-30 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flewellyn.livejournal.com
Yes, I mentioned that in the post.

Frightening and horrific stuff...

Date: 2008-12-30 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brigidsblest.livejournal.com
This is the cheap way to take care of the matter. Any Googling of the term 'hymenoplasty' will take you to descriptions of the much more expensive (and harder to detect) way.

Date: 2008-12-30 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keori.livejournal.com
Cosmetic labiaplasty and vaginoplasty run anywhere from $4,000 to $12,000 for a procedure.

I think I'm going to cry. I personally know a Mormon woman who is getting married in six months and is getting a hymenoplasty to fake virginity for her husband. She doesn't want him looking down on her because he's not her first.

There is a line from "The Marketplace" that I quote to everyone who has this discussion: "Personally, I believe that revering a condition which everyone is born with but only half the population can evidence is barbaric."

Date: 2008-12-30 10:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flewellyn.livejournal.com
Damn straight.

Date: 2008-12-31 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] happiestsadist.livejournal.com
The only way I can see this as just being really strange is in terms of roleplay, as opposed to actually faking virginity. Not that virginity fetishes aren't a bit squicky, but still.

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